Paste Human wrote:I guess I'm not as educated on this as you are, but what part of referring to South Korea did he get wrong? And note that that is a real example with real data 100% related to this specific issue.
Also keep in mind that I'm in the lowest risk group, and my employment has not been affected. Maybe I have a different point of view because of that.
Edit: in case it wasn't clear, the points made in the article that I was most drawn to involved the prospect of enacting a more nuanced approach to this based on what seem to be relatively robust sets of data. Put another way: South Korea went way overboard with testing, so maybe we can examine what they found and determine that we don't have to use up as many resources on that. On the other hand, maybe not. It might come down to something as simple as population density and/or demographics.
At any rate, working toward finding ways to help those most in need of medical attention (the elderly and those with underlying health issues) while enabling the younger working population to remain productive seems like a much more worthwhile (and possibly even less resource intensive) aim than simply locking everything down. Let me know if I'm missing something here, but urging (or maybe even forcing) those at risk to stay at home seems quite a bit easier and more sensible than expecting practically everyone to do it.
And again, maybe it will make sense for some of the more densely populated areas to resort of that.
Still, I feel for the people who can't work and all the small businesses that will close for good because of this - especially if it turns out to have been largely unnecessary.
i should be clear here that i am a big time dumbass and my objection is mainly on the grounds that this dude's advocacy appears to be primarily economics-based, which i think is absolutely nuts given the gravity of the situation. the motivation seems to be primarily based on maintaining GDP trajectories and keeping as many people working as possible so that financial markets continue to operate normally and generate returns for investors, almost all of whom are already wealthy and will be just fine once the dust settles. these are not the people the world should be calibrating its response around!
on a slightly more technical level, my main objection is that you can't draw an equivalence between the SK response and what the US should do, because our systems are fundamentally different. everything healthcare in the US is channeled through for-profit businesses (including hospital systems which mostly are nominally non-profit, but involve complex business arrangements with privately-owned practices increasingly held by PE funds, and those non-profit designations rely on a lot of accounting pittsburgh showdown; the actual beneficial owners are reaping massive profits despite their organizations' tax status) and relies on their cooperation, and we have a political economy that is resistant to acting in any capacity except to protect corporate incomes and profits. that all dictates how people interact with the healthcare system; people who need to seek treatment won't seek treatment if it's going to put them into debt or if they're (justifiably) worried they're going to be turned away based on ability to pay.
i don't think we have the legal or administrative structures in place to accomplish a more granular policy on who gets to do what like SK can. we have extremely concentrated populations of people who are either physically or economically vulnerable, overlap between the two, and no real way to cope with either scenario in terms of our social safety net's capacity.
IMO the only sensible thing to do in the US is to just call a total moratorium on all personal financial outflows (rents, mortgage payments, utility payments, consumer debt, etc.), provide income for everyone to ensure they can obtain necessary goods, provide businesses with grants or interest-free loans to keep the supply chains that provide those necessary goods intact, and order everyone to stay home save for going out to obtain those necessary goods, for as long as it takes for this to become manageable.
probably none of that made any sense i've been drinking a lot the last week but anyway those are my some of my thoughts and thanks for listening