Lion's den LIVE
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Lion's den LIVE
[youtube]K6Qt6b7fMas[/youtube]
fuck i love this track
fuck i love this track
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="rocknrolla">prostitutes....they are magical beings. Almost like unicorns. But instead of unicorns, prostitutes do exist. They cost real money. But..........It may just be worth the while. They do unbelievable things with their mouths.</blockquote><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Extreme Noise Tara">Ryan is black.</blockquote>
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
finally! fucking awesome!
I hate to admit this, but Tim Yeung does a better, more fluid executed, job than Pete Sandoval on this one imo.
I hate to admit this, but Tim Yeung does a better, more fluid executed, job than Pete Sandoval on this one imo.
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
get out
the dead vote well wrote: ↑18 Jun 2021, 04:22moving from a garbage disposal back to the dumpster but it’s an improvement nonetheless
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
;,,;ANGEL OF DESEASE wrote:the path of whoring is something wicked and grim, and very philosophical.
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Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape.
;,,;ANGEL OF DESEASE wrote:the path of whoring is something wicked and grim, and very philosophical.
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
every one has its opinion, no problem.
I miss Commando a lot anyway. . . .
I miss Commando a lot anyway. . . .
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="rocknrolla">prostitutes....they are magical beings. Almost like unicorns. But instead of unicorns, prostitutes do exist. They cost real money. But..........It may just be worth the while. They do unbelievable things with their mouths.</blockquote><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Extreme Noise Tara">Ryan is black.</blockquote>
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
[quote name="Mutilator"]
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.[/quote]
Pete is not the most technical player in the world but he had a lot of groove. That's what separates him as a death metal drummer, and more so on Covenant because as fruital of a death metal album it is, it still possesses tons of groove and that swing feel. Most of his snare hits especially when he is playing i half with the snares on 2 and 4, are in the pocket; he drops them behind the beat. But it is all consistent so it's musical. It almost comes across as some evil sounding '50's drummer. The DM these days is all super, grid-accurate "performance." I think that the change between generations could throw some folks off. You know, you hear something from 2013 and then Covenant; yea, it's different.
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.[/quote]
Pete is not the most technical player in the world but he had a lot of groove. That's what separates him as a death metal drummer, and more so on Covenant because as fruital of a death metal album it is, it still possesses tons of groove and that swing feel. Most of his snare hits especially when he is playing i half with the snares on 2 and 4, are in the pocket; he drops them behind the beat. But it is all consistent so it's musical. It almost comes across as some evil sounding '50's drummer. The DM these days is all super, grid-accurate "performance." I think that the change between generations could throw some folks off. You know, you hear something from 2013 and then Covenant; yea, it's different.
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]
[quote name="Mutilator"]
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.[/quote]
Pete is not the most technical player in the world but he had a lot of groove. That's what separates him as a death metal drummer, and more so on Covenant because as fruital of a death metal album it is, it still possesses tons of groove and that swing feel. Most of his snare hits especially when he is playing i half with the snares on 2 and 4, are in the pocket; he drops them behind the beat. But it is all consistent so it's musical. It almost comes across as some evil sounding '50's drummer. The DM these days is all super, grid-accurate "performance." I think that the change between generations could throw some folks off. You know, you hear something from 2013 and then Covenant; yea, it's different.[/quote]
Yes, I agree with it all here. Thanks for the enlightment and you've added the right context I lacked: I used the word 'better' wrongly. Pete's drumming is more organic making it sound more 'alive' while Tim's drumming is more computer accurate. I was overwhelmed by it at first but in this case technicality loses from expression.
[quote name="Mutilator"]
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.[/quote]
Pete is not the most technical player in the world but he had a lot of groove. That's what separates him as a death metal drummer, and more so on Covenant because as fruital of a death metal album it is, it still possesses tons of groove and that swing feel. Most of his snare hits especially when he is playing i half with the snares on 2 and 4, are in the pocket; he drops them behind the beat. But it is all consistent so it's musical. It almost comes across as some evil sounding '50's drummer. The DM these days is all super, grid-accurate "performance." I think that the change between generations could throw some folks off. You know, you hear something from 2013 and then Covenant; yea, it's different.[/quote]
Yes, I agree with it all here. Thanks for the enlightment and you've added the right context I lacked: I used the word 'better' wrongly. Pete's drumming is more organic making it sound more 'alive' while Tim's drumming is more computer accurate. I was overwhelmed by it at first but in this case technicality loses from expression.
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
[quote name="TranscendingMusic"]
[quote name="Mutilator"]
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.[/quote]
Pete is not the most technical player in the world but he had a lot of groove. That's what separates him as a death metal drummer, and more so on Covenant because as fruital of a death metal album it is, it still possesses tons of groove and that swing feel. Most of his snare hits especially when he is playing i half with the snares on 2 and 4, are in the pocket; he drops them behind the beat. But it is all consistent so it's musical. It almost comes across as some evil sounding '50's drummer. The DM these days is all super, grid-accurate "performance."[/quote]
Very well put
I think a lot of supposed "inconsistencies" in Pete's performances are in fact style and subsequent character, which very few death metal drummers seem to have. I appreciate the precision and stamina of the Tim Yeung's of the world, but I don't care to listen to most of their bland output.
[quote name="Mutilator"]
[quote name="zim"]get out[/quote]
I'm not saying live but compared to the album version.
I mean the 3 snares and cymbal break for instance on 0.22.
[youtube]HHsW9bMqPC4[/youtube]
It always sounded a tiny fraction too late/not as fluid as could be to me. Compared to this live version I hear the difference in both versions.
What do you think when comparing this?
[quote name="Abzu"]Just for that, I'm not sending you the tape. [/quote]
I would've shared it to the board like I the stuff i shared before, so this way you deny it to everybody here. Think again and hold true to the words from the past years while you kept the board waiting.[/quote]
Pete is not the most technical player in the world but he had a lot of groove. That's what separates him as a death metal drummer, and more so on Covenant because as fruital of a death metal album it is, it still possesses tons of groove and that swing feel. Most of his snare hits especially when he is playing i half with the snares on 2 and 4, are in the pocket; he drops them behind the beat. But it is all consistent so it's musical. It almost comes across as some evil sounding '50's drummer. The DM these days is all super, grid-accurate "performance."[/quote]
Very well put
I think a lot of supposed "inconsistencies" in Pete's performances are in fact style and subsequent character, which very few death metal drummers seem to have. I appreciate the precision and stamina of the Tim Yeung's of the world, but I don't care to listen to most of their bland output.
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
End of the riff sounds better unchanged .
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Re: Lion's den LIVE
Subpar soloing and bland, dull drumming WON'T make justice for the lack of live recordings on this one. Uninspired shit is always the worse...
I'm sure Tucker w/ Rutan and Sandoval would turn this masterpiece into something worthy of its own.
I'm sure Tucker w/ Rutan and Sandoval would turn this masterpiece into something worthy of its own.
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I prefer Pete's groove on this song !
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Even in studio recordings it seem he never uses metronome while recording drums. I realised this while programming drums over pain divine for recording a cover. But it fits better than plain straight accurate drumming.
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You're right ! I've noticed that as well ! It has more groove like that imo.
But it seems that he has used a metronome on domination, and maybe gateways and heretic
But it seems that he has used a metronome on domination, and maybe gateways and heretic
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[quote name="Hallucinating dead"]Even in studio recordings it seem he never uses metronome while recording drums. I realised this while programming drums over pain divine for recording a cover. But it fits better than plain straight accurate drumming.[/quote]
I think Trey said somewhere that the only album they ever used a click track for was Domination.
I think Trey said somewhere that the only album they ever used a click track for was Domination.
the dead vote well wrote: ↑18 Jun 2021, 04:22moving from a garbage disposal back to the dumpster but it’s an improvement nonetheless
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[quote name="Hallucinating dead"]Even in studio recordings it seem he never uses metronome while recording drums. I realised this while programming drums over pain divine for recording a cover. But it fits better than plain straight accurate drumming.[/quote]
I think Trey said somewhere that the only album they ever used a click track for was Domination.[/quote]
Yeah in this interview at around 6:15 Trey says that they used a metronome on Domination.
[youtube]_bhTqbdgK_s[/youtube]
[quote name="Hallucinating dead"]Even in studio recordings it seem he never uses metronome while recording drums. I realised this while programming drums over pain divine for recording a cover. But it fits better than plain straight accurate drumming.[/quote]
I think Trey said somewhere that the only album they ever used a click track for was Domination.[/quote]
Yeah in this interview at around 6:15 Trey says that they used a metronome on Domination.
[youtube]_bhTqbdgK_s[/youtube]
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i wonder how old trey is during that interview
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How do they record without a metronome ? How do they manage to maintain tempo ?
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because pete is fucking awesome, that's how
the dead vote well wrote: ↑18 Jun 2021, 04:22moving from a garbage disposal back to the dumpster but it’s an improvement nonetheless
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[quote name="zim"]i wonder how old trey is during that interview[/quote]
about 33
about 33
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[quote name="zim"]because pete is fucking awesome, that's how[/quote]
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My favorite Morbid Angel song, together with Vengeance Is Mine
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