Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Shredlord » 04 Dec 2017, 21:42

I listened to some of it via speakers yesterday, and the guitar parts were a bit less discernable compared to with my headphones--not to the point of inaudibility, though. By the way, my cats were sleeping peacefully together in a cat bed, and when "D.E.A.D>" came ripping out (the first song I played) they both leapt straight into the air and ran for cover!

On a side note, I wonder how many fans had to look up "Disdained"? :redneck: "Destroyed" might be a better word based on the lyrics, which all seem to cover the same material. I guess this is an attempt at a thematic album.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby TamPron » 05 Dec 2017, 02:25

Shredlord wrote: I guess this is an attempt at a thematic album.


When I spoke to Steve briefly he said that the album carries a certain "opinion". He also reflects this in some of the statements he's made about it. So you observation would be largely correct.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Ninny » 05 Dec 2017, 06:17

Shredlord wrote:By the way, my cats were sleeping peacefully together in a cat bed, and when "D.E.A.D>" came ripping out (the first song I played) they both leapt straight into the air and ran for cover!

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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Paste Human » 12 Dec 2017, 09:08

At this point I'm fairly indifferent toward the sound of this album, but I wouldn't be surprised if, when asked about it, Erik Rutan says something to effect of "Trey wanted the guitars to have a thick and dirty sound" (Based on that Relolver interview it's not looking like Trey is interested in discussing the technical side of things these days :redneck: ).
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Abzu » 13 Dec 2017, 03:14

I dunno, if there hadn't been so much David BS, he may have been more inclined to answer tech questions
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby zim » 16 Dec 2017, 21:42

did that punchy hard-on bearer have anything to do with the production on kingdoms? he was on every other album wasn't he?
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby morbid board eli » 18 Dec 2017, 20:12

hey guys do you like the production on kingdoms disdained, what do you think of it
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Taurean Mixing » 18 Dec 2017, 22:40

zim wrote:did that punchy hard-on bearer have anything to do with the production on kingdoms? he was on every other album wasn't he?

Mark Prator was involved (mostly the engineering) on 3 that I am aware of, B, D, F. That dude is legit, the old school guys that really bring that pittsburgh showdown. Level match F for example and compare to some modern productions. :idea:
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby iamgoat » 18 Dec 2017, 23:12

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zim wrote:did that punchy hard-on bearer have anything to do with the production on kingdoms? he was on every other album wasn't he?

Mark Prator was involved (mostly the engineering) on 3 that I am aware of, B, D, F. That dude is legit, the old school guys that really bring that pittsburgh showdown. Level match F for example and compare to some modern productions. :idea:


Juan "Punchy" Gonzales only did Heretic and live sound for Morbid and Nile. Almost all other Morbid records (except for D, that was produced by Bill Kennedy) were engineered by Tom and/or Jim Morris of Morrisound.

I don't have the Kingdoms cd so I can't check credits but wasn't it all done by Rutan?
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Taurean Mixing » 18 Dec 2017, 23:32

iamgoat wrote:
Taurean Mixing wrote:
zim wrote:did that punchy hard-on bearer have anything to do with the production on kingdoms? he was on every other album wasn't he?

Mark Prator was involved (mostly the engineering) on 3 that I am aware of, B, D, F. That dude is legit, the old school guys that really bring that pittsburgh showdown. Level match F for example and compare to some modern productions. :idea:


Juan "Punchy" Gonzales only did Heretic and live sound for Morbid and Nile. Almost all other Morbid records (except for D, that was produced by Bill Kennedy) were engineered by Tom and/or Jim Morris of Morrisound.

I don't have the Kingdoms cd so I can't check credits but wasn't it all done by Rutan?
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That's correct, and Prator worked a lot with Morrissound which is why he was around a lot and also engineering on those albums.

There is no indication that Punchy was on Kingdoms. Erik did it all.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby iamgoat » 19 Dec 2017, 01:52

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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby shadowalk » 23 Dec 2017, 13:28

I've always wondered why Scott Burns never really touched an MA album during his time at Morrisound.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby iamgoat » 23 Dec 2017, 14:04

Didn't he work on Altars or Abominations? :huh:
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Nick » 23 Dec 2017, 20:57

Probably because he was so busy with every other thing being done there
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Taurean Mixing » 23 Dec 2017, 21:15

iamgoat wrote:Didn't he work on Altars or Abominations? :huh:


Doesn't look like it. Straight from the horse's mouth: https://youtu.be/bnP3C_vVoG0?t=31m21s
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby iamgoat » 23 Dec 2017, 22:00

Oh right. My memory failed.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby H4T3M4CH1N3 » 02 Jan 2018, 07:19

A good album almost RUINED by Rutan's overproduction. Dude, what the fuck? He should just stick to playing guitar, as a producer he is total disaster.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby iamgoat » 02 Jan 2018, 14:48

I think Rutan is an awesome producer. I just don't like him as a mixer. Cannibal Corpse being the one exception. But as a producer he really gets the best out of the musicians. As a mixer he sometimes really hits the mark but many times they sound too full with not much room to breathe and move.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Taurean Mixing » 02 Jan 2018, 20:14

iamgoat wrote:I think Rutan is an awesome producer. I just don't like him as a mixer. Cannibal Corpse being the one exception. But as a producer he really gets the best out of the musicians. As a mixer he sometimes really hits the mark but many times they sound too full with not much room to breathe and move.

Agreed. He's a people person and can tap into what they're thinking and vibing. And as a great guitar player, he inherently would know good performance.
It's a common mix-up, "producer" and "mixer."
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby TamPron » 04 Jan 2018, 06:27

iamgoat wrote:I think Rutan is an awesome producer. I just don't like him as a mixer. Cannibal Corpse being the one exception. But as a producer he really gets the best out of the musicians. As a mixer he sometimes really hits the mark but many times they sound too full with not much room to breathe and move.

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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby toozey » 04 Feb 2018, 03:39

the production is terrible, lets be real, doesn't enhance the pretty good music at all.
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby User » 04 Feb 2018, 21:04

i think i prefer it to H production

but that is the worst of all MA so :oldryan:
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Re: Kingdoms Disdained production thread.

Postby Ninny » 04 Feb 2018, 22:31

Not bothered with it's production, neutral which is the way it should be :xx: Not an expert though ;)

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