New track on Spotify! Piles of Little Arms *youtube link added*

[Abzu]

That would be a great mix I think.

[iamgoat]

That would be a great mix I think.

<3

[Abzu]

That would be a great mix I think.

<3

[iamgoat]

This song is growing on me. The mix isn't.

[Ninny]

Steve's vocals are great and could actually be a little more up front for me, a little bit louder.

Resembling his Formulas vocals, I like it. I think he was a bit too prominent on Heretic

[Taurean Mixing]

I love Steve's execution of vocals on this. It's some where between Formulas and Gateways. Going back to the let-down production as I mentioned before,
it's induced an artificial lisp in the vocals.

[iamgoat]

Also I keep saying "Piles of folded arms" cuz I forget the real title. I wish it was that though.

[Taurean Mixing]

Make a compromise, "Piles of folded little arms"

[Rufus T. Firefly]

sounds like formulas.

[iamgoat]

sounds like formulas.

Not to me

[Olden Polynice]

I love Steve's execution of vocals on this. It's some where between Formulas and Gateways. Going back to the let-down production as I mentioned before,
it's induced an artificial lisp in the vocals.

It creates a mental imagine of Steve being toothless/Sylvester the cat

[Olden Polynice]

sounds like formulas.

Sounds like all previous work in different parts to me

[morbid board eli]

don't worry lummo, i thought it sounded like formulas as well

[Taurean Mixing]

I love Steve's execution of vocals on this. It's some where between Formulas and Gateways. Going back to the let-down production as I mentioned before,
it's induced an artificial lisp in the vocals.

It creates a mental imagine of Steve being toothless/Sylvester the cat

Yip, sad but true

[Rufus T. Firefly]

IT's not a bad things. maybe a mix of Formulas and Gateways. I like it and look forward to hearing more.

[Phantoon]

The snare drum reminds me of Illud drum sound a little, and it seems to get in the way during the verses. However there's enough good stuff going on to where it isn't really an issue and sounds a pretty good fit for the overall song. I'm also not really digging the long verses so much and the riffs contained there are...different. The intro riff and it's return later on is great and is like the heaving earth opening riff with a gateways feel.. It's a good song but it hasn't blown me away so i'm hoping it'll all fit nicely once i hear the album.

[PeterVenkman]

Songs sound great on scrapple Music in my headphones, can't wait for the album or to see them live in November, it's been a while since I saw them last (26 years).

[iamgoat]

FYI, a production is not the same thing as a mix.

A production is the recording of a performance of an arrangement of a song.

I believe you mean to say that the songs suffer from how it's mixed.

You also need to understand that mixing a record is not a one-way street. Perhaps Rutan's first mix was different (probably) and Trey guided him more towards what Trey wanted to hear. The band needs to sign off on the mix before it heads to mastering so in other words, you can't blame the engineer when you weren't there with him in the studio or were in some other way informed of the happenings there.

What we hear now is the outcome of a collaboration between an artist, an engineer and a producer (the latter being the same person in this regard). So to be fair, Rutan or any other producer and/or engineer, is never 100% accountable or responsible for the quality of the work a band puts out. It is literally in the hands of everybody involved.

I needed to make this clear.

Personally, I was always a fan of the work that Tom and Jim Morris of Morrissound put out. Their metal days were legendary and their mixes really sounded amazing.

[Taurean Mixing]

FYI, a production is not the same thing as a mix.

A production is the recording of a performance of an arrangement of a song.

I believe you mean to say that the songs suffer from how it's mixed.

You also need to understand that mixing a record is not a one-way street. Perhaps Rutan's first mix was different (probably) and Trey guided him more towards what Trey wanted to hear. The band needs to sign off on the mix before it heads to mastering so in other words, you can't blame the engineer when you weren't there with him in the studio or were in some other way informed of the happenings there.

What we hear now is the outcome of a collaboration between an artist, an engineer and a producer (the latter being the same person in this regard). So to be fair, Rutan or any other producer and/or engineer, is never 100% accountable or responsible for the quality of the work a band puts out. It is literally in the hands of everybody involved.

I needed to make this clear.

Personally, I was always a fan of the work that Tom and Jim Morris of Morrissound put out. Their metal days were legendary and their mixes really sounded amazing.

Although technically they are separate things, the vernacular has been including the aspect of the mix as well as the recording of the performance i.e. the "production process."
Honestly it doesn't really matter. It's focus on semantics at this point. It's implicit that something went wrong in this "process." To me, it was the mix. Whether or not it's based on the operator or somebody else like Trey perhaps at the helm guiding where the mix should go. Although, this mix sounds eerily similar to hate eternal mixes. And there is quite a bit of over processing, over eq'ing of the guitars especially. The kind of phase distortion that yields certain negative effects on broadband signals like guitars. Of course there's collaboration here but I don't think it's enough to say "it's inconclusive," since there's a portfolio of work to compare to and observe similar characteristics.

[Abzu]

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[Abzu]

Trey guided him more towards what Trey wanted to hear

That's pretty much the story of Heretic's sound, if I recall Punchy's words correctly.

this mix sounds eerily similar to hate eternal mixes

I was just thinking that last night while re-listening to the song.

[User]

jams jams jams jams jams

[H4T3M4CH1N3]

FYI, a production is not the same thing as a mix.

A production is the recording of a performance of an arrangement of a song.

I believe you mean to say that the songs suffer from how it's mixed.

You also need to understand that mixing a record is not a one-way street. Perhaps Rutan's first mix was different (probably) and Trey guided him more towards what Trey wanted to hear. The band needs to sign off on the mix before it heads to mastering so in other words, you can't blame the engineer when you weren't there with him in the studio or were in some other way informed of the happenings there.

What we hear now is the outcome of a collaboration between an artist, an engineer and a producer (the latter being the same person in this regard). So to be fair, Rutan or any other producer and/or engineer, is never 100% accountable or responsible for the quality of the work a band puts out. It is literally in the hands of everybody involved.

I needed to make this clear.

Personally, I was always a fan of the work that Tom and Jim Morris of Morrissound put out. Their metal days were legendary and their mixes really sounded amazing.

Although technically they are separate things, the vernacular has been including the aspect of the mix as well as the recording of the performance i.e. the "production process."
Honestly it doesn't really matter. It's focus on semantics at this point. It's implicit that something went wrong in this "process." To me, it was the mix. Whether or not it's based on the operator or somebody else like Trey perhaps at the helm guiding where the mix should go. Although, this mix sounds eerily similar to hate eternal mixes. And there is quite a bit of over processing, over eq'ing of the guitars especially. The kind of phase distortion that yields certain negative effects on broadband signals like guitars. Of course there's collaboration here but I don't think it's enough to say "it's inconclusive," since there's a portfolio of work to compare to and observe similar characteristics.

Ditto. So basically, Rutan is one hell of a guitar player and he should just stick to that. Not a fan of his ways producing stuff.

[zim]

i actually agree with you, i have never been a fan of rutan's production.

[morbid board eli]

that's it, cancel the album

[Josh]

bunch of whiny bitches in here

[Ninny]

[iamgoat]

Hahaha yeah. Let's just wait for the release and then share our stupid opinions.

[Josh]

The production is fine you fartknockers

Would rather have it this way than say heretics production, st anger, or breeding the spawn, to name just a few

[Nick]

I like heretic

[Josh]

I like the music too but the production eats turds

[-M-]

Heretic production is perfect!

[Hitoshura]

just extremely glad we're nitpicking the sonics

for perspective consider what we were discussing 6.5 years ago

[iamgoat]

You're right stormy. We should be glad.... but "glad" is not a word I would like to use when it comes to a Morbid fucking Angel record!

[zim]

I LIKE HERETIC'S PRODUCTION

[Nick]

I LIKE HERETIC'S PRODUCTION

[User]

heretic is so old now

i don't listen to it enough these days, it definitely gets short shrift. just the track order and the instrumentals, i like the songs but it always puts me off

[morbid board eli]

[Shredlord]