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To all the haters that say Necrophagist is soulless, just listen to the solo in Fermented Offal Discharge.

Meh

ok, i listened to the solo, it's still soulless.



seriously, the only good thing about necrophagist is that they're at least never going to put another album out

[quote name="Nick"]Meh[/quote]

[quote name="Derek Waters"]soulless[/quote]

no

[quote name="lava Ghoul"]
[quote name="Nick"]Meh[/quote][/quote]

Lame band...

Great musicians. But it does not do anything for me.

[quote name="Derek Waters"]ok, i listened to the solo, it's still soulless.



seriously, the only good thing about necrophagist is that they're at least never going to put another album out[/quote]

Not into them AT ALL. The songs don't do anything for me and they were hands down the most boring live band I have ever seen.



If I want tons of sweeping and whatnot, I listen to Obscura. Much more musical, IMO.

Well, so much for appreciation! Obscura has some former Necrophagist members... Anyway, I like them very much.

I remember back in the day people were all over these guys. now everyone mehs them.

[quote name="Shredlord"]Obscura has some former Necrophagist members[/quote]



this explains so very, very much :::::::::::;

Harvest Ritual is one heck of an album. Aaaand it's the only I album I like from them.

[quote name="Skinoperable"]every now and then i will spin some necro, able-bodied chap hissed.[/quote]

i loved epitaph when it came out. havent listened in yyeeeaaarrrrrssss

[quote name="PrismAndGate"]
[quote name="lava Ghoul"]
[quote name="Nick"]Meh[/quote][/quote][/quote]

[quote name="Derek Waters"]ok, i listened to the solo, it's still soulless.



seriously, the only good thing about necrophagist is that they're at least never going to put another album out[/quote]



I understand why this band polarizes so many people, but I don't understand how you could not enjoy their guitar solos, unless of course you don't like guitar solos.



Also they are putting out another album at some point.

Obscura?



Yeah cool man.

[quote name="Syysysyd"]
[quote name="Derek Waters"]ok, i listened to the solo, it's still soulless.



seriously, the only good thing about necrophagist is that they're at least never going to put another album out[/quote]



I understand why this band polarizes so many people, but I don't understand how you could not enjoy their guitar solos, unless of course you don't like guitar solos.



Also they are putting out another album at some point.[/quote]



i love a guitar solo as much as the next man. but, much like everything else they do, their solos exist only to show how great they are at playing instruments. it's malmsteen wearing a hat. that shit is mad boring, doggie

you don't like pantera. your opinion is invalid.



advanced corpse tumor solo >>>>>>

but burzum is good though

pantera and burzum have nothing to do with necrophagist being terrible though. and that's what this thread is about, not what i like and don't like

[quote name="Mr. P"]Harvest Ritual is one heck of an album. Aaaand it's the only I album I like from them.[/quote]

Ha ha good one.

[quote name="Derek Waters"]pantera and burzum have nothing to do with necrophagist being terrible though. and that's what this thread is about, not what i like and don't like[/quote]



that might be a compelling argument if your opinion weren't so invalid

So a valid opinion requires the enjoyment of pantera?

a valid opinion requires my validation, yes

Inco would like a word with you in the corner

i'm fucking with you. necrophagist blows.

I enjoy this band.

[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]
[quote name="Derek Waters"]ok, i listened to the solo, it's still soulless.



seriously, the only good thing about necrophagist is that they're at least never going to put another album out[/quote]



I understand why this band polarizes so many people, but I don't understand how you could not enjoy their guitar solos, unless of course you don't like guitar solos.



Also they are putting out another album at some point.[/quote]



i love a guitar solo as much as the next man. but, much like everything else they do, their solos exist only to show how great they are at playing instruments. it's malmsteen wearing a hat. that shit is mad boring, doggie[/quote]



So basically you're saying that any kind of technical soloing/shredding is just showing off? That's a pretty cynical viewpoint.



A lot of Malmsteen's leads do have a lot of feeling and are intelligently constructed (as with Muhammed's), but you can't see that as you seem to have a grudge against technically proficient guitarists.

i will add the caveat that the solos for Fermented Offal Discharge and Advanced Corpse Tumor are pretty worthy. nothing else about this band is that great though.

[quote name="Syysysyd"]
[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]
[quote name="Derek Waters"]ok, i listened to the solo, it's still soulless.



seriously, the only good thing about necrophagist is that they're at least never going to put another album out[/quote]



I understand why this band polarizes so many people, but I don't understand how you could not enjoy their guitar solos, unless of course you don't like guitar solos.



Also they are putting out another album at some point.[/quote]



i love a guitar solo as much as the next man. but, much like everything else they do, their solos exist only to show how great they are at playing instruments. it's malmsteen wearing a hat. that shit is mad boring, doggie[/quote]



So basically you're saying that any kind of technical soloing/shredding is just showing off? That's a pretty cynical viewpoint.



A lot of Malmsteen's leads do have a lot of feeling and are intelligently constructed (as with Muhammed's), but you can't see that as you seem to have a grudge against technically proficient guitarists.[/quote]



honestly, that is quite possibly the dumbest accusation that's ever been leveled against me, anywhere, ever.



i'll break it down real simple for you: when your song begins with a title like 'fermented offal discharge', and your musical thesis amounts to: 'hey, we're gonna have some fast drums and also we can keep up with those fast drums! and, dude, check out how many different notes we're playing! there's a lot! just, fuckin', TRY and count them!', there is absolutely nothing a solo can do to save that song. no matter how many string bends you throw into it.

Yeah, I get that it's too many notes etc. I understand why a lot of people hate this band. I was referring really only to the leads, which is why I thought you brought up Malmsteen. Just the fact that you're comparing Necrophagist to Malmsteen makes it seem like you either haven't really listened to Malmsteen or have just dismissed him as a shredder. Either way, Malmsteen is a lot more musical than Necrophagist. Likening one to the either is really dumb and ignorant.



Or, if you were comparing Malmsteen overall to Necrophagist you're basically saying "Oh they're just both stupidly talented musicians who play fast and a lot of notes so it sucks," –which is actually, what you just said.

This band was completely ruined for me by a mate who was more into TeChNiCaLz BrUtAlZ than actual death metal..if that makes any sense.(Hi Michael)



They are ok,but yea pretty boring imo

[quote name="Syysysyd"]Yeah, I get that it's too many notes etc. I understand why a lot of people hate this band. I was referring really only to the leads, which is why I thought you brought up Malmsteen. Just the fact that you're comparing Necrophagist to Malmsteen makes it seem like you either haven't really listened to Malmsteen or have just dismissed him as a shredder. Either way, Malmsteen is a lot more musical than Necrophagist. Likening one to the either is really dumb and ignorant.



Or, if you were comparing Malmsteen overall to Necrophagist you're basically saying "Oh they're just both stupidly talented musicians who play fast and a lot of notes so it sucks," –which is actually, what you just said.[/quote]



lol, didn't say or even imply any of that actually. not sure why you have such a raging hard-on for this band, they couldn't write a decent song to save their lives no matter how good they are at playing instruments. same goes for malmsteen which is why i made the comparison, you absolute fucking dolt.



you're either 16, or a tremendous fucking moron, or possibly both. either way, you're absolutely terrible at arguing, so please never try to do it again. i am completely serious about that

you couldn't even pay our lord and master to listen to this terrible fucking band

[quote name="Syysysyd"]Yeah, I get that it's too many notes etc. [/quote]



Not possible.

Necrophagist

Fuck the haters

Necrophagist is tech for tech's sake, there's plenty of technical stuff out there that also has musical merit

[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]Yeah, I get that it's too many notes etc. I understand why a lot of people hate this band. I was referring really only to the leads, which is why I thought you brought up Malmsteen. Just the fact that you're comparing Necrophagist to Malmsteen makes it seem like you either haven't really listened to Malmsteen or have just dismissed him as a shredder. Either way, Malmsteen is a lot more musical than Necrophagist. Likening one to the either is really dumb and ignorant.



Or, if you were comparing Malmsteen overall to Necrophagist you're basically saying "Oh they're just both stupidly talented musicians who play fast and a lot of notes so it sucks," –which is actually, what you just said.[/quote]



lol, didn't say or even imply any of that actually. not sure why you have such a raging hard-on for this band, they couldn't write a decent song to save their lives no matter how good they are at playing instruments. same goes for malmsteen which is why i made the comparison, you absolute fucking dolt.



you're either 16, or a tremendous fucking moron, or possibly both. either way, you're absolutely terrible at arguing, so please never try to do it again. i am completely serious about that[/quote]



cool, name calling and insults are such a classy ways of winning arguments!



you win. i guess i am a tremendous moron. you have thoroughly shattered me. never gonna make the mistake of arguing over the net again!

lets all be women and agree that our local sports teams are better than other local sports teams

Gorod>>>>>>>>>>>>

[quote name="Syysysyd"]
[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]Yeah, I get that it's too many notes etc. I understand why a lot of people hate this band. I was referring really only to the leads, which is why I thought you brought up Malmsteen. Just the fact that you're comparing Necrophagist to Malmsteen makes it seem like you either haven't really listened to Malmsteen or have just dismissed him as a shredder. Either way, Malmsteen is a lot more musical than Necrophagist. Likening one to the either is really dumb and ignorant.



Or, if you were comparing Malmsteen overall to Necrophagist you're basically saying "Oh they're just both stupidly talented musicians who play fast and a lot of notes so it sucks," –which is actually, what you just said.[/quote]



lol, didn't say or even imply any of that actually. not sure why you have such a raging hard-on for this band, they couldn't write a decent song to save their lives no matter how good they are at playing instruments. same goes for malmsteen which is why i made the comparison, you absolute fucking dolt.



you're either 16, or a tremendous fucking moron, or possibly both. either way, you're absolutely terrible at arguing, so please never try to do it again. i am completely serious about that[/quote]



cool, name calling and insults are such a classy ways of winning arguments!



you win. i guess i am a tremendous moron. you have thoroughly shattered me. never gonna make the mistake of arguing over the net again![/quote]



listen, here's the deal: good instrumentalists are not necessarily good musicians. this is true of necrophagist and it is also true of YM. they are incredible players who never bothered to care about writing an actual song that actually communicates something interesting or important or profound. they eschew all of that in favor of spending every last ounce of energy they have to make sure you know: these guys know their way around a fretboard and they can run the circuit in record fucking time.



yeah, my last post was over the line and inappropriate, and i had no business mouthing off like that. but it's such an obvious distinction that it seriously fucking confounds me when people can't make it. it's something i was guilty of when i was a kid, so i assume anyone who fails to do the same is probably also stupid because they have not yet acquired enough experience to figure out why 'technical' anything is 100% worthless outside of the 'wow, they can play really fast!' factor.



so, in short, i apologize for my stupid and wrong behavior, but, you're still wrong.

necrogayfist

[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]
[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]Yeah, I get that it's too many notes etc. I understand why a lot of people hate this band. I was referring really only to the leads, which is why I thought you brought up Malmsteen. Just the fact that you're comparing Necrophagist to Malmsteen makes it seem like you either haven't really listened to Malmsteen or have just dismissed him as a shredder. Either way, Malmsteen is a lot more musical than Necrophagist. Likening one to the either is really dumb and ignorant.



Or, if you were comparing Malmsteen overall to Necrophagist you're basically saying "Oh they're just both stupidly talented musicians who play fast and a lot of notes so it sucks," –which is actually, what you just said.[/quote]



lol, didn't say or even imply any of that actually. not sure why you have such a raging hard-on for this band, they couldn't write a decent song to save their lives no matter how good they are at playing instruments. same goes for malmsteen which is why i made the comparison, you absolute fucking dolt.



you're either 16, or a tremendous fucking moron, or possibly both. either way, you're absolutely terrible at arguing, so please never try to do it again. i am completely serious about that[/quote]



cool, name calling and insults are such a classy ways of winning arguments!



you win. i guess i am a tremendous moron. you have thoroughly shattered me. never gonna make the mistake of arguing over the net again![/quote]



listen, here's the deal: good instrumentalists are not necessarily good musicians. this is true of necrophagist and it is also true of YM. they are incredible players who never bothered to care about writing an actual song that actually communicates something interesting or important or profound. they eschew all of that in favor of spending every last ounce of energy they have to make sure you know: these guys know their way around a fretboard and they can run the circuit in record fucking time.



yeah, my last post was over the line and inappropriate, and i had no business mouthing off like that. but it's such an obvious distinction that it seriously fucking confounds me when people can't make it. it's something i was guilty of when i was a kid, so i assume anyone who fails to do the same is probably also stupid because they have not yet acquired enough experience to figure out why 'technical' anything is 100% worthless outside of the 'wow, they can play really fast!' factor.



so, in short, i apologize for my stupid and wrong behavior, but, you're still wrong.[/quote]



To be fair, Malmsteen has one or two songs that communicate actual feeling. In fact, most of his music communicates a feeling, albeit usually the feelings involve the rock 'n' roll attitude of leather pants, the freedom of poofy shirts, the glamour of multiple gold rolexes, the hardcore radikal lifestyle of vikings, and butt piracy.

[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]
[quote name="Derek Waters"]
[quote name="Syysysyd"]Yeah, I get that it's too many notes etc. I understand why a lot of people hate this band. I was referring really only to the leads, which is why I thought you brought up Malmsteen. Just the fact that you're comparing Necrophagist to Malmsteen makes it seem like you either haven't really listened to Malmsteen or have just dismissed him as a shredder. Either way, Malmsteen is a lot more musical than Necrophagist. Likening one to the either is really dumb and ignorant.



Or, if you were comparing Malmsteen overall to Necrophagist you're basically saying "Oh they're just both stupidly talented musicians who play fast and a lot of notes so it sucks," –which is actually, what you just said.[/quote]



lol, didn't say or even imply any of that actually. not sure why you have such a raging hard-on for this band, they couldn't write a decent song to save their lives no matter how good they are at playing instruments. same goes for malmsteen which is why i made the comparison, you absolute fucking dolt.



you're either 16, or a tremendous fucking moron, or possibly both. either way, you're absolutely terrible at arguing, so please never try to do it again. i am completely serious about that[/quote]



cool, name calling and insults are such a classy ways of winning arguments!



you win. i guess i am a tremendous moron. you have thoroughly shattered me. never gonna make the mistake of arguing over the net again![/quote]



listen, here's the deal: good instrumentalists are not necessarily good musicians. this is true of necrophagist and it is also true of YM. they are incredible players who never bothered to care about writing an actual song that actually communicates something interesting or important or profound. they eschew all of that in favor of spending every last ounce of energy they have to make sure you know: these guys know their way around a fretboard and they can run the circuit in record fucking time.



yeah, my last post was over the line and inappropriate, and i had no business mouthing off like that. but it's such an obvious distinction that it seriously fucking confounds me when people can't make it. it's something i was guilty of when i was a kid, so i assume anyone who fails to do the same is probably also stupid because they have not yet acquired enough experience to figure out why 'technical' anything is 100% worthless outside of the 'wow, they can play really fast!' factor.



so, in short, i apologize for my stupid and wrong behavior, but, you're still wrong.[/quote]



See, making actual points is a far more effective way of getting your argument across– as opposed to acting like a tough hard-on bearer internet warrior spewing childish insults. I tend to not take someone seriously if he/she comes crapping all over my thread with scathing, overly dramatic comments and starts up a flame war for no apparent reason.



That said, I do understand your where you're coming from and I still disagree with you. While it's true there are a lot of shredders out there who shred for the sake of shredding, (who also vastly outnumber the legit "shredders", which is why I think really fast/technical lead guitarists tend to get a bad rap), there are exceptions, and I think for the most part Muhammed and Malmsteen are among them. I'm not saying they're the most amazing guitarists, but they are capable of crafting some tasty leads. Shredding can show emotion in the way the notes are played, in the context in which they are played, the chord progressions they follow, and how they affect the overall structure of the song.



Malmsteen had some decent songs on his first album, I'll admit that after that he then pretty much became a parody of himself, and his image doesn't make it any easier to take him seriously. But if you analyze some of his leads, his phrasings and note choice are really superb. These are the things that make him great, not that he can sprint up and down the fretboard. I've been playing guitar for almost 10 years, have delved into a bit of theory, and generally can tell right off the bat if a guitarist knows what he's doing.



If you want something deep or profound don't listen to said bands, because that's not what they're about.