The Ukraine/Russia ordeal

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 13 Feb 2022, 14:38

So, are we headed for WW3? Or will NATO/France/Germany/US keep their heads cool and keep their distance?

It's a complex problem and Ukraine isn't just 1 country, it's devised in many sections and Russia is currently at the Eastern border, which this Eastern part of Ukraine is already 95% Russian. This border is friendly to Russia.
But it's the Western part we must worry about.

I think we should stay out of it because it's none of our business.
I also appreciate that there is a lot of history to study here and understand the signs after the coupe in 2014, and what they mean now. I do see similarities between the post WW1 era that logically lead into WW2. I hope this time it won't escalate that far.

What are your thoughts (if you have any)?

I must add that CNN and western media in general isn't explaining the situation in a realistic way at all. So don't pay too much attention to them.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 13 Feb 2022, 14:57

I pray there isn’t war with russia. My country is in the pockets of companies like lockheed nartin who profit from war. This is why both sides are pushing for something its money for defense contracts which is horrible for americans who have zero business there, Russians, and Ukrainians. Our governments give zero fucks about us though.

The smart thing to do would to assure Russia Ukraine isn’t entering nato. They most likely never will anyways, a war involving nuclear armed countries is scary. A war with Russua, who actually knows what they are doing is scary. I get why russia doesn’t want nato on their doorstep but i do not understand why my country is obsessed with Ukraine from a tactical standpoint. If someone knows please explain?

You are right about the media in America they are part of the problem as well. They are ruled by money like any corporation and sensationalize as well as spread the propaganda of whoever pays them at the time. This includes china and lobbyists.

zim · Post by **zim** » 13 Feb 2022, 14:59

i am politically illiterate so all i will say is that i really really hope things deescalate and nothing happens. the world already sucks pretty hard these days, throwing a war on top of that would be ..something

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 13 Feb 2022, 15:35

Well, it's Nato pushing the Ukrainian/Russian border. President Macron is too arrogant so I worry about the Nato part.

President Putin is always playing the long game and thinking strategically.

User · Post by **User** » 13 Feb 2022, 16:14

war is bad but i have not even read one article about what is going on there, i should

Ninny · Post by **Ninny** » 13 Feb 2022, 16:50

If the Ukraine wants to join NATO or the EU let them do so, Russia can fuck off. The USSR sucked and people remembered. War would hurt Putin's bank account so that's probably not happening

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 13 Feb 2022, 17:43

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 14 Feb 2022, 02:26

the contingent of ukrainians who want to join NATO are the ones we have been funneling weapons and money to (who are by and large all nationalists, the descendants of OUN-B and other fascist factions who are not at all shy about their affinity for ethnic cleansing and history of nazi collaboration). and insofar as the ukrainian government may express some desire to join NATO that is similarly true because we installed a western-friendly government. it is a direct violation of the agreement the western bloc made with russia at the dissolution of the soviet union. as always, this is driven entirely by western aggression in service of its imperialist aims

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 14 Feb 2022, 02:34

Hold on I was under the impression most of ukraine didnt want to join nato but has been pressured from certain forces within, same ones buying off american politicians allegedly.

Ukraine is dirty but so are Russia and america.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 14 Feb 2022, 02:39

Stormy has it correct. There are neo nazis in the nationalist groups and there are neo nazi groups. They are as anti russian as it gets.
The Nato is violating the treaty here. Hence my worries about what this could escalate to.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 14 Feb 2022, 02:52

Nobidy us gonna adress ukranian lobbyists buying off us politicians? Doesn’t sound like imperialism so much as greed. I guess they go hand in hand though.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 14 Feb 2022, 02:59

That might be the case but I wasn't aware of that part.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 14 Feb 2022, 03:43

You know who has shockingly been calling ukraine and the us out regarding this? Tucker carlson he was the last person i expected to say is right on anything but a broken clock chines right twice a day right? Hes now on about the canadian truckers and im done with him again though, was hust nice to hear some common sense with foreign policies i feel we lack that in aamerica.

I think its good that crowd is against the defense contractors now, would be best for the world if the US backs off a lot (doubt we will).

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 14 Feb 2022, 04:10

Noyka wrote: ↑
14 Feb 2022, 02:52
Nobidy us gonna adress ukranian lobbyists buying off us politicians? Doesn’t sound like imperialism so much as greed. I guess they go hand in hand though.

oh of course there's plenty of grift on both the US and ukrainian sides. hunter biden's involvement in shady ukrainian dealings has been publicly documented going back at least as far as 2014-2015, long before it got sucked into the 2020 election discourse vortex. and you're absolutely right, all the DC lobby shops have been the recipients of dump trucks full of ukrainian cash to keep the project at the forefront of the political and media establishment's attention.

important to keep in mind that tucker, like all the other neocon politicians and commentators who have been quick to criticize stoking conflict in ukraine, does not do so out of any principled objection to war or imperial meddling. their guff is that this distracts from building a war with china. they are bloodthirsty freaks who are just trying to manufacture consent for a different war

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 14 Feb 2022, 04:15

I dont want war with China but I do feel they should be held accountable for many atrocities including their role in covid. There are ways without war to do this.

Regarding tucker i know it’s ulterior motives its just nice to hear common sense where you can get it.

-M- · Post by **-M-** » 19 Feb 2022, 05:09

Putin is like Hitler. If he gets Ukraine he will not stop, just as Hitler didn't stop when he got Czechoslovakia.

Ninny · Post by **Ninny** » 19 Feb 2022, 06:07

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 19 Feb 2022, 09:47

putin isn't a nice hard-on bearer but i don't think his territorial ambitions can be compared with hitler's

-M- · Post by **-M-** » 19 Feb 2022, 18:14

Russian imperialism started in early 18th century. Great Northern War, Crimean War, wars in central Asia, with Japan and China, partition of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. As soon as civil war after Russian Empire fall down in a giant display of homosexuality finished Russians attacked Ukraine, Belarus and Transcaucasia. Then was Second World War, creation of Warsaw Pact. After Soviet Union collapsed Russia and Belarus created Union State of Russia and Belarus, which in fact made Belarus dependent to Russia. Wars in Chechnya, Georgia, annexation of Crimea. Making European Union dependent to Russian natural gas (remember supply disruptions of gas year ago), interference in American elections, financing religious fanatics and anti EU propaganda in Poland and other East European countries.
Aleksandr Dugin is quite important person in Russian political philosophy. He claims, that Russia should exist in borders of Warsaw Pact, and whole Europe should be in Russian sphere of influence. He is strongly anti western, anti democratic, pan-slavic and he is Russian nationalist. His influence on Putin and Russian army is quite strong. Putin is megalomaniac and it's highly possible that he will not stop with Ukraine.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 19 Feb 2022, 23:24

There is zero evidence of russian i terferance in our elections.

Putin absolutely is a despicable human being but he knows his country’s economy is fragile. I am unsure how he could take over europe or anything other than Ukraine without China’s help financially. Neither are friendly to the world this is absolutely true.

Imperialism sounds more like China’s deal (which no credible person calls out) considering they are playing loan shark to poor country’s and buying resources and land including farms once they inevitably default this on top of buying influence in country’s like the US unlike russian interference which has been disproven this is widely known and proven. War is not the answer to deal with either country but they both should be held accountable.

The thing both russia and china are excellent at is cheating st the Olympics which is further confirmation the olympics are a joke.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 20 Feb 2022, 05:43

who the fuck is ukraine

Z's bouncy tits · Post by **Z's bouncy tits** » 20 Feb 2022, 23:18

UK raine.

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 24 Feb 2022, 03:48

Uh, yeah, it's getting fucked.

Corpsepyre · Post by **Corpsepyre** » 24 Feb 2022, 03:50

zim · Post by **zim** » 24 Feb 2022, 04:09

Corpsepyre wrote: ↑
24 Feb 2022, 03:48
Uh, yeah, it's getting fucked.

metal

zim · Post by **zim** » 24 Feb 2022, 04:20

at least we're all too old for the us draft amirite

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 24 Feb 2022, 06:54

Scrap what i said earlier this appears an attempt to restart ussr and looks to be bigger than just Ukraine.

This could get horrible really fast and is very scary for everyone.

I blame obama for not responding in 2014 and Biden for interfering and many politicians for taking bribes on all sides. Hell clinton disarmed ukraine in the gloryhole era .

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 24 Feb 2022, 07:31

The sanctions won’t even really hirt Russia it will hurt Americans more.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 24 Feb 2022, 09:33

Corpsepyre wrote: ↑
24 Feb 2022, 03:48
Uh, yeah, it's getting fucked.

this hard-on bearer was one of the vultures who plundered post-soviet russia, he's just sad he doesn't have a compliant western puppet to profit off anymore. he is on the pay no mind list

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 24 Feb 2022, 11:57

Hold on to your panties everyone we will all be fucked soon.

User · Post by **User** » 24 Feb 2022, 15:58

why can't we all just get along

Mesarthim · Post by **Mesarthim** » 24 Feb 2022, 22:54

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 24 Feb 2022, 23:48

Apocalypse time

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 24 Feb 2022, 23:50

if they could delay the global nuclear holocaust until after i've had some time in elden ring that would be swell

Mesarthim · Post by **Mesarthim** » 25 Feb 2022, 00:33

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 25 Feb 2022, 01:14

lmao wait, are drudkh a bunch of fucking banderites??

zim · Post by **zim** » 25 Feb 2022, 01:32

fucking incredible

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 25 Feb 2022, 01:37

Time to break out the good gin (or drink of choice) and say fuck it

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 25 Feb 2022, 05:23

zim wrote: ↑
25 Feb 2022, 01:32

fucking incredible

ahahahahaha this is fucking amazing

droidspawn · Post by **droidspawn** » 25 Feb 2022, 08:20

#MRCA!

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 25 Feb 2022, 09:25

every true believer in free markets and free enterprise, every teary-eyed dweeb making some appeal to freedom, every single person who fought and killed for capitalism, that's the ultimate culmination of their labor right there. the final form. CNN presents war, brought to you by applebees. incredible, truly amazing, an absolute masterwork

User · Post by **User** » 25 Feb 2022, 09:30

very paul verhoeven

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 25 Feb 2022, 09:59

Are we all gonna be speaking russian or mandarin? My money is on mandarin

-M- · Post by **-M-** » 25 Feb 2022, 19:53

I remember obligatory russian lessons back in late 80. and early 90. Hope it will never be obligatory again. Fuck Putin

-M- · Post by **-M-** » 25 Feb 2022, 19:53

Mesarthim · Post by **Mesarthim** » 25 Feb 2022, 22:37

jawn galliano wrote: ↑
25 Feb 2022, 01:14
lmao wait, are drudkh a bunch of fucking banderites??

there's been some controversy with the band and that but it's never been confirmed.

Mesarthim · Post by **Mesarthim** » 26 Feb 2022, 00:03

-M- wrote: ↑
25 Feb 2022, 19:53

all the Ukrainians on the island were killed shortly after this. fuck putin.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 26 Feb 2022, 00:09

It’s horrifying

This could have been prevented had Europe and tbe US not stopped oil production. This act emboldened Putin. Everyone should crank up oil and start on nuclear energy immediately. Can’t really help the other russian exports like food. But this is how we keep putin in check, sanctions only risk the dollar weakening.

The un is a joke russia and china are both on the security council.

Noyka · Post by **Noyka** » 26 Feb 2022, 00:13

Us should end uts un funding to send a message but thats a pipe dream

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 26 Feb 2022, 00:21

Mesarthim wrote: ↑
25 Feb 2022, 22:37

jawn galliano wrote: ↑
25 Feb 2022, 01:14
lmao wait, are drudkh a bunch of fucking banderites??
there's been some controversy with the band and that but it's never been confirmed.

well, 'ukrainian insurgent army' is the english translation of the UPA, which was OUN-B's paramilitary organization... not exactly what i'd call subtle!