The most negative review of Illud...yet

Uros · Post by **Uros** » 26 May 2011, 04:11

http://metalreview.com/reviews/6246/mor ... um-insanus

haha, pretty bold

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 26 May 2011, 04:18

But what are we left with after these few faithful Morbid Angel compositions come and go? A steaming pile of fucking balderdash, that’s what. We couldn’t even team up on this with opposing views, because there are no opposing views anywhere on our staff.

ohhh SNAP

^_____________^ · Post by **^_____________^** » 26 May 2011, 04:23

Svartmetall · Post by **Svartmetall** » 26 May 2011, 04:25

I dunno, it's hard to be sure when they're so vague and just beat around the bush like that. What do they really think of it?

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 04:31

holy shit!

Uros · Post by **Uros** » 26 May 2011, 04:33

While I don't like critics, it should be noted that this site is among the most credible ones as far as metal reviews go. It's not some third league review site, run by some random kid with pimples. I read both reviews, they really are unmerciful.

Basically, there is a full page worth of quotes from those reviews, but just look at this one:

I bet Pete Sandoval is sitting in recovery shaking his head at the wretched predicament his bandmates have brought upon themselves, casting handful after handful of dirt upon the coffin of a once-mighty leading light of blasphemous death metal. Call me an elitist/purist--I don’t care--but I shall never dirty my ear with this insufferable claptrap again, but I will strongly encourage you do so in order to witness the fall of one of the greatest acts metal has ever known, and join me in its funeral procession. The kings are dead, and apparently, sufficiently buried headfirst.

Those Insane Gods · Post by **Those Insane Gods** » 26 May 2011, 04:33

It's pretty amazing that this album is so divisive. I really can't believe any real Morbid Angel fan could hate it so much. Some people might not like the experimentation. But the Death Metal tracks should please anyone into the band. But what do I know? Those reviewers probably just discovered Deathspell Omega lol.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 26 May 2011, 04:39

wow, the second review was fucking VICIOUS. the first one is timid by comparison.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 04:40

and it debases the views of longtime fans that refuse to accept this garbage without being labeled “unfaithful” by the band and their shameless PR team.

Helloooooooo!

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 04:41

[quote name="WhereTheSlimeLives"]It's pretty amazing that this album is so divisive. I really can't believe any real Morbid Angel fan could hate it so much. Some people might not like the experimentation. But the Death Metal tracks should please anyone into the band. But what do I know? Those reviewers probably just discovered Deathspell Omega lol.

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What the fuck does Deathspell Omega has to do with any of what those guys wrote?

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 26 May 2011, 04:42

He's either an idiot or pretending to be an idiot.

LAVAGOD · Post by **LAVAGOD** » 26 May 2011, 04:45

funny because pete likes that techno stuff

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 26 May 2011, 04:46

[quote name="Void"]
[quote name="WhereTheSlimeLives"]It's pretty amazing that this album is so divisive. I really can't believe any real Morbid Angel fan could hate it so much. Some people might not like the experimentation. But the Death Metal tracks should please anyone into the band. But what do I know? Those reviewers probably just discovered Deathspell Omega lol.

[/quote]

What the fuck does Deathspell Omega has to do with any of what those guys wrote?[/quote]

it's a half-assed attempt at attacking the author's credibility.

bob_here · Post by **bob_here** » 26 May 2011, 04:49

Now these guys are speaking my language...

WhereTheSlimeLives hobby is ad hominem reprisal, no surprise there.

^_____________^ · Post by **^_____________^** » 26 May 2011, 04:54

[quote name="WhereTheSlimeLives"]It's pretty amazing that this album is so divisive. I really can't believe any real Morbid Angel fan could hate it so much. Some people might not like the experimentation. But the Death Metal tracks should please anyone into the band. But what do I know? Those reviewers probably just discovered Deathspell Omega lol.

[/quote]

Did Dave let you suck his dick in return for promising to suck the album's dick wherever you go?

If I recall correctly, you were complimenting his "masculine sexual energy" in another thread.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 04:58

funny because pete likes that techno stuff

Sure! Industrial and techno can be great, IN THEIR CONTEXT!

And yes, for the record, you DID just hear David Vincent sing “kill-a kill-a kill-a cop.”

Svartmetall · Post by **Svartmetall** » 26 May 2011, 05:10

I have a horrible feeling this album could be the new 'Cold Lake'...

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 26 May 2011, 05:12

And yes, for the record, you DID just hear David Vincent sing “kill-a kill-a kill-a cop.”

lol wat

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 05:18

Really, how the FUCK can you go from lyrics like Brainstorm, Blessed are the Sick, Rapture, Heaving Earth, Prayer of Hatred, Covenant of Death (!!!!!!), Ageless, Still I Am, God of the Forsaken, etc. etc. etc. to ANYTHING as such complete garbage ??????!!!!!

my_shadow22 · Post by **my_shadow22** » 26 May 2011, 05:26

So i just got done reading these really really bad reviews someone just posted and I'm fuckin bummed. I haven't heard the album in full yet but I'm honestly thinking of just skipping it. I dont want to think and feel all these things about one of my favorite bands goddammit! Idk. I'm just bummed. fuck

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 05:28

Thanks, don't get me wrong, we have enough topics about these things as it is.

my_shadow22 · Post by **my_shadow22** » 26 May 2011, 05:29

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 05:30

[quote name="Void"]Really, how the FUCK can you go from lyrics like Brainstorm, Blessed are the Sick, Rapture, Heaving Earth, Prayer of Hatred, Covenant of Death (!!!!!!), Ageless, Still I Am, God of the Forsaken, etc. etc. etc. to ANYTHING as such complete garbage ??????!!!!![/quote]

I'm going to sit and listen to Beneath the Hollow and recall the excitement I felt when hearing this track for the first time...

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 26 May 2011, 05:46

yeah, i was feeling kinda bummed about the whole ordeal earlier today and listened to B/C/F/G all in a row. it lifted the ol' spirits for a bit, until i read those reviews

Phantoon · Post by **Phantoon** » 26 May 2011, 08:07

It just has to be a piss take, I mean I think Morbid Angel made this to cause a stir above all else quite frankly. This is their 'joke' album (If such thing exists), and it's also done at a critical time in their career for extra oomph. Or maybe it was basically a suicide mission. Where most bands just quit, perhaps they wanted to go out with bang ?

zim · Post by **zim** » 26 May 2011, 09:04

[quote name="So Callous"]It just has to be a piss take, I mean I think Morbid Angel made this to cause a stir above all else quite frankly. This is their 'joke' album (If such thing exists), and it's also done at a critical time in their career for extra oomph. Or maybe it was basically a suicide mission. Where most bands just quit, perhaps they wanted to go out with bang ?[/quote]

Hey guys, lets take our name, a legend in the genre, and completely fuck it in the ass for the finale! What a great way for us to go out, everyone will think it's hilarious and bold.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 26 May 2011, 10:17

Goddamn. This just confirms what the samples alluded to me.

A comment below the reviews notes that, in a recent band photo, Trey looks like he's holding back tears.

Abzu · Post by **Abzu** » 26 May 2011, 10:19

and it debases the views of longtime fans that refuse to accept this garbage without being labeled “unfaithful” by the band and their shameless PR team.

Helloooooooo!

I think WTSL's title should be changed to "Shameless PR"

shubniggurath · Post by **shubniggurath** » 26 May 2011, 10:34

[quote name="Svartmetall"]I have a horrible feeling this album could be the new 'Cold Lake'...[/quote]

Yes. But Trey and Evil D think it's their Into the Pandemonium. They're wrong.

^_____________^ · Post by **^_____________^** » 26 May 2011, 10:40

and it debases the views of longtime fans that refuse to accept this garbage without being labeled “unfaithful” by the band and their shameless PR team.

Helloooooooo!
I think WTSL's title should be changed to "Shameless PR"

YES PLEASE.

Mutilator · Post by **Mutilator** » 26 May 2011, 11:35

Has anyone else heard the complete album besides WhereTheSlimeLive?

..or is everybody else just getting their opinion through others (aka reviewers?)

It occurs to me that the album needs multiple listens first to be able to make a proper judgement, THEN people can slag off someone's opinion about it.

MorbidAngela · Post by **MorbidAngela** » 26 May 2011, 11:43

What a bunch of shit...

haters gonna hate

Aftermath1349 · Post by **Aftermath1349** » 26 May 2011, 11:52

[quote name="pulsar"]Goddamn. This just confirms what the samples alluded to me.

A comment below the reviews notes that, in a recent band photo, Trey looks like he's holding back tears.[/quote]

The first thing I noticed when I saw the new promo shots was how bummed out Trey looks. Do we know for a fact that he wrote all the non-Destucthor songs?

Godsdefeat · Post by **Godsdefeat** » 26 May 2011, 11:58

I've been a fan for 20 years and for the first time I am not looking forward to the new album. To me (what I've heard so far) this is not the MA I like. The lyrics seem to be more mundane than Domination and the mix of the new influences is not my thing. I think this time they have taken the pushing the boundaries into new directions into the wrong direction.

After so many years of waiting this hurts

TamPron · Post by **TamPron** » 26 May 2011, 12:40

And yes, for the record, you DID just hear David Vincent sing “kill-a kill-a kill-a cop.”

lol wat

I don't hear this either. Sounds more like "give a cult" or something along those lines.

zim · Post by **zim** » 26 May 2011, 12:49

And yes, for the record, you DID just hear David Vincent sing “kill-a kill-a kill-a cop.”

lol wat

I don't hear this either. Sounds more like "give a cult" or something along those lines.

give a cult? you must be deaf.

KILL-A-COP

COP KILLER!

Uni777 · Post by **Uni777** » 26 May 2011, 13:20

Pretty harsh.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 14:26

"Pretty harsh"? It's fucking retarded! Perhaps some underground extreme anarchistic punk bands in the 70's would actually sing this, or some gangster hiphop asshole who think he's the man. MA: get the fuck out, seriously.

I didn't need to hear any of the samples to come to this conclusion. If the lyrics contain that kind of bullshit, next to how badass they are and have been "doing their thang since '89", it says enough for me.

Uni777 · Post by **Uni777** » 26 May 2011, 14:30

I ment review = harsh.

I think he sings something else than the cop killer stuff. I'll wait for the lyrics sheet.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 14:42

Ah ok.

Well I hope he does!

Those Insane Gods · Post by **Those Insane Gods** » 26 May 2011, 15:10

[quote name="Mutilator"]Has anyone else heard the complete album besides WhereTheSlimeLive?

..or is everybody else just getting their opinion through others (aka reviewers?)

It occurs to me that the album needs multiple listens first to be able to make a proper judgement, THEN people can slag off someone's opinion about it.

[/quote]

Right on buddy.

These two reviews really aren't surprising to me. The album features a few elements that are fucking BANNED in underground Metal right now. I had that "scene reaction" to it as well when I first heard it. But once I got over my own stupidity I just realized how fucking well written this record is. How good it actually is. It succeeds in every aspect. But you'll have to allow yourself to like it. It's a guilty pleasure if there ever was any.

Those who aren't ready to do that can listen to that stupid (admit that it's stupid) concept band Nader Sadek.

vO)))id · Post by **vO)))id** » 26 May 2011, 15:15

I don't want to allow myself to like it, I want to genuinely like music.

Those Insane Gods · Post by **Those Insane Gods** » 26 May 2011, 15:17

[quote name="Void"]I don't want to allow myself to like it, I want to genuinely like music.[/quote]

That's not necessarily an antithesis.

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 26 May 2011, 15:28

when 'allow' is functionally a synonym for 'force', yeah, it kind of is.

if mediocrity is banned in death metal, how do you explain the existence of 95% of the genre?

also, why was your initial appraisal the result of stupidity? couldn't your revised opinion simply be the result of some serious mental gymnastics undertaken in service of rationalizing an inexcusably poor album?

Those Insane Gods · Post by **Those Insane Gods** » 26 May 2011, 15:44

[quote name="Derek Waters"]when 'allow' is functionally a synonym for 'force', yeah, it kind of is.

if mediocrity is banned in death metal, how do you explain the existence of 95% of the genre?

also, why was your initial appraisal the result of stupidity? couldn't your revised opinion simply be the result of some serious mental gymnastics undertaken in service of rationalizing an inexcusably poor album?[/quote]

I didn't "force" myself to like it. I just told myself to forget whatever ideas I had of what's correct in this context. Doing that I quickly found out that I actually like every single element/moment on Illud. This album holds so many different emotions. Vulgarity, ruthlessness, humor, anger, power, sensuality. It's one of the most far-reaching and all-embracing Death Metal albums I own. It's not B, C or D's stillborn twin.

You know what? Some will like it and some won't. Let's just leave it at that. In the end it's up to the individual to decide.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 26 May 2011, 16:11

:psychmajor:

jawn galliano · Post by **jawn galliano** » 26 May 2011, 16:42

nah that's some pop-psych shit. which i normally detest, but it works as a nice short-hand for more elaborate explanations that i can't be bothered to expand upon at this completely stupid hour

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 26 May 2011, 16:44

i had originally been going to say :poppsych:

Those Insane Gods · Post by **Those Insane Gods** » 26 May 2011, 16:55

[quote name="Derek Waters"]nah that's some pop-psych shit. which i normally detest, but it works as a nice short-hand for more elaborate explanations that i can't be bothered to expand upon at this completely stupid hour[/quote]

Fuck psychology. There are certain rules in Metal. Things that you DON'T do. It's not that fucking complicated. Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir are two good examples of bands that broke those rules and ended up paying the price.

Verbal · Post by **Verbal** » 26 May 2011, 16:58

What are these rules?